Grand Rounds Recap 8.30.23


ems grand rounds: prehospital ultrasound WITH dr. klein

  • What are the barriers to ultrasound in the prehospital world?

    • Cost 

    • Evidence (and lack thereof) 

    • Training and protocols for EMS 

    • Equipment and physical space in the ambulance 

  • US as a potential diagnostic tool 

    • Airway: can use US to confirm ETT placement (although EtCO2 is still the gold standard!)

    • Breathing: can assess for fluid overload and PTX (and could intervene on PTX)

    • Cardiac arrest: can use femoral doppler for pulse checks vs parasternal views for organized cardiac activity 

    • FAST: some debate on use of this prehospital 

    • Pregnancy: could be used as screening tool for pregnancy leading to transport to OB capable facility 

    • PE: prehospital POCUS revealing enlarged RV could lead to decreased scene time and transport to thrombolytic capable center

  • US as a potential procedural skill 

    • US guided peripheral IV placement: while this may be a useful skill, may be worth considering if this is worth the extra time, especially when IO is available. 

  • US for potential triage 

    • MCI: There may be some value in doing US on patients in mass casualty in order to more appropriately triage patients and intervene appropriately.


r1 diagnostics and therapeutics: inflammatory markers WITH Dr. Segev

  • Inflammatory biomarkers (i.e. CRP, ESR, and PCT) can assist clinical reasoning in determining probability of infection, but they are not stand-alone diagnostic tools in the emergency department

  • PCT and CRP are markers of acute inflammation compared to ESR which better reflects chronic inflammation.

  • There is mixed evidence regarding PCT-guided antibiotic therapy for PNA, but PCT is not recommended to guide antibiotic therapy for sepsis.

  • Please see the following link for more details and associated blog post on inflammatory markers in the ED: ***


clinical pathologic case (CPC) WITH dr. schor and dr. stolz

  •  Don't blow off hiccups that last for > 2 days! Have a high index of suspicion for undifferentiated badness.

  • Hiccups are brought on by a reflex arc that includes both peripheral nerves and midbrain/brainstem structures, so keep your thinking broad as to identify possible causes.

  • If a benign cause is identified, treat the cause. Otherwise, know your first line physical maneuvers (supra-supramaximal inhalation) and second line therapies (baclofen or reglan preferred).


r4 capstone: what my r4s taught me WITH dr. diaz

  • Medicine is an art, there is usually not just one way to do something right

  • Ultrasound can be particularly useful for procedural guidance in certain patients.

  • Everyone with epigastric pain should prompt you to at least consider ACS.

  • Patients with new onset psychiatric illness should be a yellow flag and prompt consideration of further testing.

  • Consider non-mechanical etiologies of back pain, particularly in acute presentations.

  • Everyone deserves GOOD return precautions, tailored to their level of understanding.

  • Acknowledging failure is tough, but both part of the learning and teaching process.

  • There are more options for disposition than immediate discharge or admit.

  • Consider the utility of repeating an ultrasound, even if the first is normal.

  • Just because someone is boarding in the ED and not your responsibility, doesn’t mean you should not care and/or help them.

  • Considering reviewing your own images when able, especially when clinically concerned.

  • All patients presenting with significant trauma or altered/agitated deserve a full body exam.

  • Agitation can be a sign of severe pathology.

  • Sometimes less is more, the hospital can be a dangerous place.

  • Know your institutional guidelines, and document well.

  • Think outside the box, and ask yourself why not when considering alternative paths.

  • You can’t succeed alone, learn from those around you. Everyone has something to teach you.


airway grand rounds WITH dr. adan

  • Mastering intubation takes many repetitions (to estimate a 90% success rate, you need over 190 intubations). 

  • Video laryngoscopy has been shown to lead to highest first pass success rates. 

  • In order to develop direct laryngoscopy skills while still doing right for our patients, we need to be adamant about employing adjunct skills including: 

    • Optimize patient position prior to intubation attempt. 

    • Perform head manipulation to align axes.

    • Tongue sweep should be performed with all standard geometry blades

    • Think about operator positioning including obtaining the “cheap seats” view by stepping back and often lower to the ground. 

    • BURP! (Backwards, upwards, rightward pressure of the larynx by either the operator or an assistant with direction from the operator).